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1. I had to move to "Adjust for best performance" in the Visual Effects tab in the performance tab under system. When vista default was very slow and ugly. I use VIA/S3 Unichrome graphic adaptor. 2. This system is very very slow (I use Athalon 1.4 GHz, One G of RAM)
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Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

Yeah and also the code hasn't been fully optimized yet either. Now if it's still slow after that, there are no excuses... "Larry" wrote in message > Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

It is a little slower then I was expecting, but RC1 should be better when it is released.
"Larry" wrote in message > Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

The clear, confident, connected MSFT is paying developers 4 grand a day to go after the debug code but if it's "dogcrap slow" than you need to end the dogcrap processes and services that you con't need to run and get a competent defragger that isn't the dogcrap defragger that ships with Vista like Perfect Disk or Diskeeper. I defrag it every couple days with Perfect Disk and you can tell the difference. It's never been slow for me on the same box as XP; in fact many things are faster.
LOL. after RTM the refrain will be SP1 will be better.
CH
"Larry" wrote in message > Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:11:13 -0400, "Larry" wrote:

Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

Yeah and its like watching paint dry if you put office 12 beta in as well, speeds up noticably with 1Gb + ram though.
Jonah

Office 12 beta in for months and not slow if you kill services/processes and defrag often with Perfect Disk or diskeeper. Kick spyware off too. Remember Defender only gets 60-70% right now at best so use a few spyware booters at the rope line.
CH
"jonah" wrote in message

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:11:13 -0400, "Larry" <wpbraz@bellsouth.net wrote:
Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?
Yeah and its like watching paint dry if you put office 12 beta in as well, speeds up noticably with 1Gb + ram though.
Jonah

Not knowing anything about your computer, who can say?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375/en-us
"Larry" wrote in message > Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

More likely it is that your hardware is inadequate. While Vista still has a lot of debug code *and* is not optimized for performance, it still runs fairly well on decent hardware. Put it on an older machine and you can expect to be walking, not running.
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
"Larry" wrote in message > Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

I noticed that the hdd where Vista is installed gets severely fragmented right after Vista first starts. But the problem is Vista doesn't see its drive as fragmented. The Disk Defragmenter on Vista diesn't see Vista's files as fragmented. But when you boot up another hdd with XP and check Vista's drive for fragmentation, you'll be surpised the whole drive is red and green. I highly recommend checking Vista's drive for fragmentation using another XP on another drive. I've seen this 4 times now, as I've re-installed Vista 4 times. After the defrag, Vista will run faster, boot quicker even on Aero Glass mode, less hard drive activity. I currently use Vista x64 on an 80GB Maxtor IDE.
"Larry" wrote:
> Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

Art---
Defrag with a real defragger (you won't have one ever shipped with a Windows OS), and do it 3X per week and more if you're using graphics intensive apps often. Also make sure that you have enough free space to do a competent defrag. Perfect Disk says 5%, MSKBs say 15%, Execsoft says more is better 20-30% in their white papers.
Because of cost, legal considerations some 3rd apps are never going to be good quality that are shipped with Windows. Defragging is one. Use www.raxco.com Perfect Disk or use www.diskeeper.com Diskeeper. In XP, the defragger was a watered down version of Diskeeper made by ExecutiveSoft. They have a free public beta that will work on Vista anybuild done made yet.
http://www.diskeeper.com/profile/submit-select.aspx?a=l&PId=104
I saw; it says 5384 and now you have Vista Beta 2 or Vista 5456.5 "Interim" aka ("are we there /the TBTs wanna new build no matter the bugs not fixed in the prior one--kids in adult bodies whining for new builds" just to say they have the latest whether anything has been done significant since the last one) it'll work. BTW that phenomenon is called "superficial reverse Schadenfreude" or the illusion of elitism without the substance to back it up. It's in the water at Redmond even though 99% of 'em can't spell it.
1) You can use Executive Soft's www.diskeeper.com Diskeeper 10 now as a 30 day full functionality trial available for Vista X86. I have Diskeeper 8.0 with its latest update working fine on Vista and it is much better than the defragger that Vista or Windows One Care will ship with. Since defragging is highly important, and not a sexy enough feature for MSFT to ever emphasize anywhere on their websites or in their promotional material, I think it's mandatory to get a 3rd party defragger. Let me put it simply--defragging helps speed your PC significantly if done regularly. I noticed that in the http://oca.microsoft.com hang errors explanations that no mention is made of degragmentation and its vaule, but a number of off the wall causes for hang are mentioned.
2) You can use Perfect Disk www.raxco.com but in order to do it you have to patch the MSI or the installer with ORCA from the platform SDK.
3) Also if you dual boot XP and Vista, and use Perfect Disk 8.0 and up, you can use it to defrag your Vista drive from the XP drive much better than with the watered down defragger MSFT ships with Vista, and you can do boot defrags as well. Raxco's perfect disc also requires only 5% of free space to do an effective defrag. See: www.raxco.com
Either of these two is light years better than anything XP or Vista ships with and it is important--it's not in the frill category.
Good luck,
CH
"Art" wrote in message

I noticed that the hdd where Vista is installed gets severely fragmented right after Vista first starts. But the problem is Vista doesn't see its drive as fragmented. The Disk Defragmenter on Vista diesn't see Vista's files as fragmented. But when you boot up another hdd with XP and check Vista's drive for fragmentation, you'll be surpised the whole drive is red and green. I highly recommend checking Vista's drive for fragmentation using another XP on another drive. I've seen this 4 times now, as I've re-installed Vista 4 times. After the defrag, Vista will run faster, boot quicker even on Aero Glass mode, less hard drive activity. I currently use Vista x64 on an 80GB Maxtor IDE.
"Larry" wrote:
Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

Chad,
I took your suggestion, d/l+installed Diskeeper Home Edition 10.0 15 day trial program. I did this on C drive - Windows XP SP2. I defragged both C and D (Vista) drive. On C, it found 693 fragments and got all but 1 cleaned up. This is the original C drive that came with the machine last year. (Dell XPS Gen 5, 3.8GHz 800FSB, 1GB DDR2 SDRAM @ 667MHz - 2 WD Raptor 74 GB 10K HDS.)
I also defragged D, found over 100 fragments, cleaned up all of them. This is the drive I installed Vista Beta 2, build 5384, a few weeks ago. I defragged D while booted up to C - seemed to work OK.
I am impressed with Diskeeper after this brief use - now I'll go read the instructions and see how/when/etc. to properly care for my machine. I believe the price for this program is $29.95 - not too bad at all.
Thanks for ''heads up"
Bill

"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message

Art---
Defrag with a real defragger (you won't have one ever shipped with a Windows OS), and do it 3X per week and more if you're using graphics intensive apps often. Also make sure that you have enough free space to do a competent defrag. Perfect Disk says 5%, MSKBs say 15%, Execsoft says more is better 20-30% in their white papers.
Because of cost, legal considerations some 3rd apps are never going to be good quality that are shipped with Windows. Defragging is one. Use www.raxco.com Perfect Disk or use www.diskeeper.com Diskeeper. In XP, the defragger was a watered down version of Diskeeper made by ExecutiveSoft. They have a free public beta that will work on Vista anybuild done made yet.
http://www.diskeeper.com/profile/submit-select.aspx?a=l&PId=104
I saw; it says 5384 and now you have Vista Beta 2 or Vista 5456.5 "Interim" aka ("are we there /the TBTs wanna new build no matter the bugs not fixed in the prior one--kids in adult bodies whining for new builds" just to say they have the latest whether anything has been done significant since the last one) it'll work. BTW that phenomenon is called "superficial reverse Schadenfreude" or the illusion of elitism without the substance to back it up. It's in the water at Redmond even though 99% of 'em can't spell it.
1) You can use Executive Soft's www.diskeeper.com Diskeeper 10 now as a 30 day full functionality trial available for Vista X86. I have Diskeeper 8.0 with its latest update working fine on Vista and it is much better than the defragger that Vista or Windows One Care will ship with. Since defragging is highly important, and not a sexy enough feature for MSFT to ever emphasize anywhere on their websites or in their promotional material, I think it's mandatory to get a 3rd party defragger. Let me put it simply--defragging helps speed your PC significantly if done regularly. I noticed that in the http://oca.microsoft.com hang errors explanations that no mention is made of degragmentation and its vaule, but a number of off the wall causes for hang are mentioned.
2) You can use Perfect Disk www.raxco.com but in order to do it you have to patch the MSI or the installer with ORCA from the platform SDK.
3) Also if you dual boot XP and Vista, and use Perfect Disk 8.0 and up, you can use it to defrag your Vista drive from the XP drive much better than with the watered down defragger MSFT ships with Vista, and you can do boot defrags as well. Raxco's perfect disc also requires only 5% of free space to do an effective defrag. See: www.raxco.com
Either of these two is light years better than anything XP or Vista ships with and it is important--it's not in the frill category.
Good luck,
CH
"Art" wrote in message I noticed that the hdd where Vista is installed gets severely fragmented right after Vista first starts. But the problem is Vista doesn't see its drive as fragmented. The Disk Defragmenter on Vista diesn't see Vista's files as fragmented. But when you boot up another hdd with XP and check Vista's drive for fragmentation, you'll be surpised the whole drive is red and green. I highly recommend checking Vista's drive for fragmentation using another XP on another drive. I've seen this 4 times now, as I've re-installed Vista 4 times. After the defrag, Vista will run faster, boot quicker even on Aero Glass mode, less hard drive activity. I currently use Vista x64 on an 80GB Maxtor IDE.
"Larry" wrote:
Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

pardon me for jumping in, how would a amd athlon x64 3700+ on Asus A7N-Vm with !gb behave? It does NVIDIA Nforce 4 chip set GPU 64MB
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Not knowing anything about your computer, who can say?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375/en-us
"Larry" wrote in message Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

Thank you for the good information I have done all of the things suggested b4 sending this message 1 Gig ram Disk keeper 10 for Vista I will keep my eyes open for things that could be running that I do not need
"gs" wrote in message

pardon me for jumping in, how would a amd athlon x64 3700+ on Asus A7N-Vm with !gb behave? It does NVIDIA Nforce 4 chip set GPU 64MB
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Not knowing anything about your computer, who can say?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375/en-us
"Larry" wrote in message Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

I have a IBM NetVista with P4 2.0 gig and a Nvidia FX5200. I definately think Vista runs slower than XP. Im not sure speed will improve that much. I can just imagine how slow a computer from Dell will be out of the box. With all the other junk they have preinstalled and loaded at boot. I guess thats why Office 2007 has been delayed again to the general public because of beta testers complaints of slowness. Vista seems to be heading in that direction! Other than the slowness mine 5384 has been running nicely no real problems. I would like to see more third party software work with Vista. Especially some of the plugins for IE 7. I guess they are coming!
"Larry" wrote:
> Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

It is because the build still contains debugging code and has not been optimized yet. Both cause a performance hit.
"John Scott" wrote in message

I have a IBM NetVista with P4 2.0 gig and a Nvidia FX5200. I definately think Vista runs slower than XP. Im not sure speed will improve that much. I can just imagine how slow a computer from Dell will be out of the box. With all the other junk they have preinstalled and loaded at boot. I guess thats why Office 2007 has been delayed again to the general public because of beta testers complaints of slowness. Vista seems to be heading in that direction! Other than the slowness mine 5384 has been running nicely no real problems. I would like to see more third party software work with Vista. Especially some of the plugins for IE 7. I guess they are coming!
"Larry" wrote:
Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?